"We're trying to get a deal done" Interview with NFLPA President DeMaurice Smith

When DeMaurice Smith was elected president of the NFLPA in March 2009, there was a pronounced surprise that the replacement for the late Gene Upshaw wasn't an ex-player but a former U.S. attorney. Now a little more than a year into his tenure, Smith is preparing for a lockout when the CBA expires after next season. We caught up with Smith in Washington, D.C where he was a guest on Edge of Sports radio.

Dave Zirin: Will there be a lockout?

DeMaurice Smith: That's what we're preparing for. I'm sorry to say that I don't have the kind of job, and the players don't have the kind of job, where we can just sit back and hope that a lockout doesn't happen. They have to prepare for the worst, certainly hoping for the best. We're trying to get a deal done. If you remember, right before the uncapped year, we said, look, we'll take a deal that's very similar to the deal we have now, let's just extend it. And the owners said no. I know that they've renegotiated every assistant coach's contract to envision a lockout, and I know their lead negotiator now is a guy named Bob Batterman, who locked out hockey for a year. They also negotiated every one of the television contracts, FOX, NBC, CBS and DirecTV with this in mind. They put a clause in those contracts to guarantee that the NFL gets every dime even if the games aren't played.

Zirin: So if there are no games they still get their TV money?

Smith: They get $4 billion. Chad Ochocinco asked me at the draft, on a scale of 1 to 10 where do you see the possibility of a lockout? I'd put it at about a 14.

Zirin: I spoke to an NFL owner who said the owners will always win against the players because players, even though they make a lot of money, live pay check to pay check. What do you think when you hear something like that?

Smith: We've asked players to save 25 percent of their salary last year, 25 percent of their salary this year. We created a guaranteed lockout savings account for every player in the league. But most importantly, we've just tried to prepare our guys. I've told them I want them to be a man and a businessman in the business of football. And for an owner to think he can break you, because you aren't being a responsible husband, father, son ... It's insulting. So the question will be, are they going to be right or are we going to be right?

Zirin: You've got a lot of reporters that say, "A pox on both their houses. It's millionaires versus billionaires." How do you make the case to say it's not just rich people squabbling, that there is something bigger at stake?


Smith: The first thing I do is challenge reporters on how much they know. When I was at the Super Bowl and I had a press conference with 120 or 130 reporters who covered football for years. I asked them raise your hand if you knew the National Football League was a non-profit organization? Silence. It is. It's a 501 C 6 non-profit. How many people know last year the National Football League generated $9 billion in revenue? According to Forbes every team averages $31 million in profit every year. Every team is worth $1 billion. And here's the kicker, over the last 15 years every team's value has grown by about 500 percent. So, that's the owner's side.

Now for the players, the average salary in the National Football League is $700,000. You will never find a player who's going to say we're crying in the poor house. I tell our players the reason you have to be responsible is that the average wage for a man between the ages of 21 and 24 in America is about $25,000. We should never be in a position where we have to give up based on money. That's insulting. But on our side of the table, the average career for a football player is 3.6 years. It takes you three years and three games in order to get five years of health care coverage when you're done playing. If you play any less than three years you don't get any health care coverage when you tire. If you play three years and three games, you still only get five years.

Zirin: What if you play 15 years?

Smith: Five years. If you play 13 years, it's five years; 12 years, it's five years. So you take a guy who graduates from college at 21, 22, the average career is 3.6 years, let's say he plays four years. Players are retiring at the ripe old age of 26, 27. Five years of health care coverage and everything after that, every injury you have is a preexisting condition. Try to find insurance for that. So when they say to me, it's a battle between billionaires and millionaires, that's where I start. But we also try to remind people that if we get locked out, we have 30,000 people who work in our stadiums. They're locked out. The concession workers and they people who are parking cars in the sleet and the rain for forth or fifth job, they're locked out. The bars and the restaurants that rely on football, they're locked out. The families of our players that rely on the health care, no health care. I don't really look at this as a battle between millionaires and billionaires. I look at this as a battle between 32 people who can unilaterally shut down our game, and America who digs it.

 

[Dave Zirin is the author of the forthcoming “Bad Sports: How Owners are Ruining the Games we Love” (Scribner) Receive his column every week by emailing dave@edgeofsports.com. Contact him at edgeofsports@gmail.com.]

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ironic...

...that while reading this, Chris Rock's monologue regarding rich vs. wealthy came to mind.

interview incomplete

Dave, I can't believe you would have allowed this interview to end without calling out Smith regarding his comments about health care coverage. It is the union he represents that has allowed former players to twist in the wind. The union has had every opportunity to prioritize their needs but have continually sacrificed them.

Okay Interview Dave

I disagree with gator in that the health coverage was all on the players union. Concerning the interview, I wish you would ask him why the union appears to be against rookie pay scales which hurt good veteran players and teams as a whole. It is bad for the product and business of football the way things are now. Mandatory minimums for owners would mean they would be paying the same amount, just to the right players.

BG,

let me clarify by saying that it isn't entirely on the union. but they are the ones that have taken it off the table to satisfy other concessions, and they are ultimately the ones responsible for the well-being of their current and past members.

the question about a firm rookie wage scales is a tricky one. there is no guarantee that any monies saved through rookie contracts will find the way to the veteran pockets. i really don't any changes would make that much of a difference anyway. The aggregate salary cap for all 32 teams in 2009 was over $4B. I don't think any redistribution in rookie wages would make much of an impact on the rest of the league.

i will say

after re-reading this interview it's pretty much a puff piece. basically an opportunity for Dave to sell the player's union. there is legitimacy in that as most analysis tends to be biased against the "greedy" ballplayers fighting for money they don't need. i just wish Dave would have done more than lob softballs.

not true

Gator - It's not "soft balls" to give a union a voice that it has been lacking in the mainstream press; the ability to just plainly state their case without censor or owner-friendly spin. I'm proud to provide a forum where they can do this. And you're wrong about the health care and retired players. The NFLPA is fighting to make that happen, the owners are saying no.

Mike Wallace he ain't

Hahaha . . . what a journalist!

Zirin likes his interviewee, so he asks puff questions to "give a union a voice."

At least you've finally admitted you're nothing but a dogmatic, leftist propagandist from the Ministry of Information.

"It's not "soft balls" to give a union a voice that it has been lacking in the mainstream press; the ability to just plainly state their case without censor or owner-friendly spin. I'm proud to provide a forum where they can do this. And you're wrong about the health care and retired players. The NFLPA is fighting to make that happen, the owners are saying no.

Dave is the voice of the people

Good work Dave. Thanks for giving us more in depth information, unlike the slogans, hyperbole and propaganda we get from mainstream media. Of course there's more to this story but this is information and perspective we don't seem to get elsewhere.

no puff-piece

I like the sound of DeMaurice Smith. The interview is not a "puff-piece" but it leaves one wanting more. Perhaps a follow-up?

ACCOUNTABILITY

Amazing that the player's health care is so abysmal.

You can either assume that

a) the NFLPA don't care about their players, OR;

b) the NFLPA has tried for years and years to get better health care and 5 years is the best they could manage to squeeze out of the owners.

I'd go with "b". That just makes more sense.

Also, you can guarantee that when the lockout occurs you'll have "impartial" reporters interviewing a concession worker talking about greedy players wanting more money while he can't feed his family, while the players side will not be heard.

You don't get the players side from tv, the radio, or any mainstream news media, because they are not ACCOUNTABLE to the people. The mainstream news media are ACCOUNTABLE to the corporate advertisers because that's where they get 80% of their revenue (100% in the case of tv "news").

Dave Z is ACCOUNTABLE to the readers because he gets paid by us.

Great article.

Thank You

Dave,

Thank you for your story. I think its clear that the MSM likes to pit workers against workers. And you Dave, have a true class conscious about what it is to be a worker in America. It seems everyday I have to remind people that economics isn't the only thing that makes one a part of the working class. These NFL players are workers and need to be respected for what they have done. Has the player's union been perfect? No, but at least they are trying to improve the lives of their members. It's not everyday that we can hear from the union without any right-wing spin. Thank you Dave! Can't wait to see you speak in Oakland at the Socialism Conference!

Thanks DeMaurice

Thanks to DeMaurice Smith and the NFLPA for taking a stand for Indianapolis hotel workers seeking to unionize.

Thanks DeMaurice

Thanks to DeMaurice Smith and the NFLPA for taking a stand for Indianapolis hotel workers seeking to unionize.

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